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Okay... so we go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq to "spread democracy throughout the world". We say we won't get involved in overriding the choices of the people... we'll let them govern themselves and decide what's right for them... we just want the voice of the people to matter.

Then Hamas gets ELECTED, BY THE PEOPLE, in a FREE ELECTION because the Palestinians are tired of complete and total corruption, and we say no way?!


I don't know enough about Hamas or ABBAS to know what's right or wrong for whome... all I'm saying is, can we possibly be more fucking hypocritical here?
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Date:January 27th, 2006 06:12 pm (UTC)
How often do "we" say we're not going to get involved?
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Date:January 27th, 2006 07:15 pm (UTC)
This is freedom. They elect a government we don't like, so we say that unless they agree not to do the things we don't want them to do, we won't deal with them, and won't give them foreign aid money. This is all legitimate.

It's all tempered by realpolitik anyway. If they ever have anything we actually want, we'll be nicer to them.
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Date:January 27th, 2006 07:37 pm (UTC)
But there's a difference here... if there's a government we don't agree with or pisses us off, we're mean to them. no big deal. However, in this case we're refusing to recognize Hamas as a legitimate government. I see a huge difference between "We don't like your government" and "You are not the government".

By not recognizing the legitimately elected government (and like it or not, that's what it is now), we're going to have to circumvent it and work through some other authority as if it were the government. This all basically devolves to us deciding who the government should be, not the people of the country, and that's what I have a problem with.
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Date:January 28th, 2006 01:44 am (UTC)
Technically, we haven't refused to recognize the new Palestinian government because it doesn't exist yet (parliamentary systems are odd that way). Once the government is formed, we'll see what we want to do about who's actually in it.

Technically, we don't recognize Taiwan as a separate state - it's part of China; that's our One China Policy even though in every way save name, Taiwan is a separate country (and we've promised to protect them, though we've been "ambiguous" about just how far we'd go (nukes? well, maybe ...)). We don't have an embassy in Taipei, but we do have the American Institute in Taiwan. So, do we recognize the Taiwanese government? Well, no, not officially (wink, wink, nudge, nudge). I don't believe that Taiwan is recognized by the UN as a separate country either.

North Korea (DPRK) is another fine mess. Technically, the Korean War between the USA and the DPRK is not over (a state of war still exists), and we're merely in armistice with them. We don't have formal diplomatic relations with the DPRK, let alone have an embassy on their soil.

The point is that there are a whole lot of states that relations between states can be in at any time, from allies to warring, with a whole lot of grey in between.

Hamas is on the USA's list of terrorist organizations. The former party in power in the Palestinian Authority, Fatah, appears to have been thoroughly corrupt. Hamas has been spending a lot of time actually delivering services and showing real leadership in the towns. They were not expected to win the election, but the people of Palestine decided to throw Fatah out of power, and let Hamas have its chance to govern.

The move on our side is to decry Hamas' political platform ("destruction of Israel" and "Islamic State"), but see what they actually do, and deal with them on that basis. That's Realpolitik.

After all, both the Republicans and the Democrats say all kinds of things in their party platforms, but what they do usually has little or no relationship to that, once they're in power.
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Date:January 28th, 2006 12:58 am (UTC)
they should've sent in diebold.
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